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Post by woody on Dec 5, 2010 15:05:06 GMT 1
At the most 3. The only one I know of is Ian Daniel??
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Post by raymack on Dec 5, 2010 15:05:16 GMT 1
Yep Ian Daniel beat me 4-1 in the first game - another harsh lesson !
Malcolm Macdonald from the borders beat me 4-3 in my second game . A positional blunder at 3-3 on the last ball cost me dearly
Kicking myself !!
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Post by woody on Dec 5, 2010 15:09:11 GMT 1
Yeah Know how you feel mate. I went in off after being awarded 2 shots in my final frame against John M and then had first chance in final frame against dave and got a dreadful kick which cost me the match. Not good enough at the end of the day - back to the drawing board for next time round.... :-)
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Post by Brad on Dec 5, 2010 15:09:27 GMT 1
Ian's not an Aberdeen league player! He plays in the Ellon League. So... how many did they get I wonder?!
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Post by aland on Dec 5, 2010 15:10:36 GMT 1
Never mind Raymond, always next year!!
How many people actually attended the trial on the day?
I take it that all 32 never appeared!
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Post by woody on Dec 5, 2010 15:13:45 GMT 1
Well in that case ...
We had 3 from our region. Fraserburgh had Dave Bissett. Ian Daniel from Ellon..
With 7 actually qualifying that only leaves a maximum of 2...
Pretty good eh...
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Post by Brad on Dec 5, 2010 15:17:19 GMT 1
According to Staffe on the ADPL site Paul Slorach also qualified.
Aland: As far as I'm aware no one from Fife made the trip due to the weather. The Borders lads all managed it though! Their loss!
I think it's absolutely brilliant that SEVEN players from our League will be travelling to represent Scotland in Feb. A quarter of the Scotland Men's squad are Elgin/Burghead/Lhanbryde guys, that's unbelievable!
Well done to all of you and better luck next year to those who missed out!
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Post by woody on Dec 5, 2010 15:20:53 GMT 1
Exactly Brad - fantastic that ¼ of the Scotland squad is from our region.
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Post by aland on Dec 5, 2010 15:21:00 GMT 1
Very good indeed Adam!
Aberdeen guys don't have as big an advantage as they did a couple of years ago!
Our guys now know the rules (and therefore shots to play) much better now and as a result it's more of a level playing field in games with them!
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Post by raymack on Dec 5, 2010 15:21:13 GMT 1
Think numbers would have been in the mid 20's. Dont think there were many( if any atall) from region 2 due to the weather yet the guys from region 3 managed to make the 250 mile trip !
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Post by Brad on Dec 5, 2010 15:23:37 GMT 1
I think making the switch to World Rules was the best thing that could have happened to the League. Also none of this would have been possible if it wasn't for the hard work Adam Macleod has put in with the tour. Roll on 2011!
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Post by aland on Dec 5, 2010 15:24:52 GMT 1
Did they therfore make a re-draw...or did they just go with the existing draw putting people through where Region 2 guys had not turned up?
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Post by woody on Dec 5, 2010 15:26:36 GMT 1
It was great to see Stuart so emotional yesterday when he was told he had a won a place in the team. I think he asked the guy that was running it twice as he couldn't quite believe it. I think he deserves a special mention for his achievement in making the squad. Gritty performance and well done Stu........................
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Post by raymack on Dec 5, 2010 15:30:08 GMT 1
Some got a bye.
It had been said previously that no player would meet another player from the same region in the first round of games - that went out the door due to the number of entries.
Also initially I'm sure I read somewhere that games would be best of 9 but instead best of 7 was played which I dont quite understand given that there were less entries and 6 tables !
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Post by woody on Dec 5, 2010 15:33:23 GMT 1
Yeah Jammy arse Tony got a bye, then got beat by Ian Daniel before claiming his place in his final match...well done though, played well.
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Post by aland on Dec 5, 2010 15:33:43 GMT 1
Wat time did it finish Raymond?
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Post by aland on Dec 5, 2010 15:35:27 GMT 1
Thought you had to win 3 games in succession before making the squad?
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Post by Brad on Dec 5, 2010 15:38:26 GMT 1
Well from what I can work out, this is the Scotland squad.
RETAINED PLAYERS 1 R1 Pat McCarron (Aberdeen) 2 R1 Darren Matthew (Aberdeen) 3 R2 Shaun Wishart (Kirkcaldy)
QUALIFIED THROUGH TOUR[/u] 4 R1 Martin McIntosh (Aberdeen) 5 R1 Derek Ahern (Aberdeen) 6 R2 Alan Scott (Kirkcaldy) 7 R2 Scott Kennedy (Kirkcaldy) 8 R3 Barry Young (Lockerbie) 9 R4 Peter Fyffe (Elgin & District)
QUALIFIED THROUGH TRIALS 10 R4 Adam Macleod (Elgin & District) 11 R4 Tony McCallion (Elgin & District) 12 R4 Stuart Campbell (Elgin & District) 13 R1 Ian Daniel (Ellon) 14 R1 Paul Slorach (Stonehaven) 15 R1 Dave Bisset (Fraserburgh) 16 R1 John Mulhern (Aberdeen
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Post by raymack on Dec 5, 2010 16:17:38 GMT 1
Wat time did it finish Raymond? It must have been finished around 6 ish ! To be honest I can't quite remember !! We had a couple of hours messing around on a spare table so it was finished reasonable early.
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Post by martellachie on Dec 5, 2010 18:54:35 GMT 1
Well done Adam,Tony and Stuart. Great result for our Region.
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Post by thecentralscrutinizer on Dec 5, 2010 20:15:48 GMT 1
Well done to all of our players for yesterday. Everyone that participated gave a good account of themselves, both in mens and under 21 trials.
Couple of things for qualifiers to be aware of in the coming weeks:
1. Everyone has qualified at this stage for the 16 man squad. From that squad there will be an A and B team of 6 players and that means there will be 4 players allocated euro champs single places only, no team place.
2. The teams will be picked by Mike Macdonald, Scotland manager. He will also allocate the singles places.
Hope this clarifies the next stage in proceedings!
Adam.
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Post by Brad on Dec 5, 2010 23:44:11 GMT 1
I know we spoke about this before but thought I'd post here anyway...
Has Mike seen everyone play? If not, how will he decide who are the best players?
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Post by aland on Dec 6, 2010 0:19:32 GMT 1
Totally agree Brad!
However having read Adam's post regarding the selection process for the two teams I would comment as follows:-
1) I think that the whole selection process should have been made transparent right from the outset to all players wishing to represent theie country. This should have included the fact that in reality there are only 12 team places up for grabs. A breakdown of the likely costs for players successfully qualifying e.g. flight costs, accomodation, entry fees etc This would then give anyone still wishing to represent their country an idea of the likely personal costs.
2) In terms of the selection procedure. Are individual tour winners guaranteed a place in one of the two teams over people successful through the trial (e.g. P Fyffe)? If not then this in my opinion is wrong!
3) As Brad has indicated in his earlier post, how can Mike MacDonald select the two teams, when perhaps he does not know who the best players are in any given region? Who gives him the required advice?
4) On a personal note I qualified to attend the trial in Aberdeen but decided not to trial. However, I was under the impression that if I had attended the trial and qualified, that I would in one of the two teams! I'm sure some of the others who have qualified, also probably thought the same(only to potentially find out otherwise now! Potentially players could now find themselves not selected for either team and having to travel to Malta at great personal expense for a game of singles (best of 9) against a seeded player from another country! Worst case you lose 5-0 and don't have enough money to get drunk for the rest of the week!
The SEPF require to look at these issues!
Adam can you please raise these points with Derek Ahern?
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Post by Brad on Dec 6, 2010 0:34:02 GMT 1
Well said Alan. I've emailed Mike Macdonald and invited him to explain how the selection process will work.
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Post by tonymccallion on Dec 6, 2010 1:14:18 GMT 1
Yeah i won my first match , then got a bye then some how had to play another player that has also won 2/2 which was Ian Daniel, was up 2 nil with an easy pot for 3 but bottled it haha. Never the less i got through from my next match against the guy that beat Raymond. Very wierd system i must say!! On another note, its great to have qualified but i dont know how willing i would be to travel and spend so much money on a singles place. However the teams are being picked they will need to be picked soon as payment is due i think on 15th January and thats not including flights which wud need to be booked soon. ADAM - I think it did state on the edpl website that only 12 players were geting a team place but didnt notice this until i got home. Anyway hopefuly we all get in. euro8ball.com/other/European%20Championships%202011%20-%20EEPF%20Website.pdf - Not the best with computers but this should take you to information on the championships and the hotel. Im sure i seen this last year so some information might have changed by now.
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Post by stucamp on Dec 6, 2010 13:47:37 GMT 1
Still hadn't sunk in yesterday what i had achieved ,only lost to an unlucky break off to Adam, am gettin closer Adam!.won nxt 3 matches ,prob best all yr i have played .its expensive with entry fees, travel etc getting to these tours and trials and now saying only 12 places available. I would have to agree with tony. could i afford to go if i was only in the singles,i,m self employed and havn't worked for almost 2 weeks because of weather, but then again might not make it this far again.would be dissapointing not to make team tho.And i'm sure alot of guys would like to be in positon i have.
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Post by stucamp on Dec 6, 2010 14:01:51 GMT 1
on reflection maybe i was a bit hasty on my last comment.whatever happens i am still part of that squad.
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Post by thecentralscrutinizer on Dec 6, 2010 17:46:25 GMT 1
1) I think that the whole selection process should have been made transparent right from the outset to all players wishing to represent theie country. This should have included the fact that in reality there are only 12 team places up for grabs. Perhaps this was a failing of mine but I am pretty sure that I made this clear to players that there would be 16 players in the squad and that the manager would pick teams of 6 from that. If people were not aware of this then apologies. 1) A breakdown of the likely costs for players successfully qualifying e.g. flight costs, accomodation, entry fees etc This would then give anyone still wishing to represent their country an idea of the likely personal costs. This, in its nature, is subject to change but a rough guide would useful. I'm sure that anyone that wanted this information could certainly have requested it/researched it and still can! 2) In terms of the selection procedure. Are individual tour winners guaranteed a place in one of the two teams over people successful through the trial (e.g. P Fyffe)? If not then this in my opinion is wrong! Again I made it clear to those that asked that the tour winners made the squad. The managers decision is final on who makes the teams. Whilst, I cannot influence the eventual decision, my opinion is the same as yours Alan. 3) As Brad has indicated in his earlier post, how can Mike MacDonald select the two teams, when perhaps he does not know who the best players are in any given region? Who gives him the required advice? This is Mike's area of expertise and I cannot answer this for him. I'm sure he will justify his choices properly though. 4) On a personal note I qualified to attend the trial in Aberdeen but decided not to trial. However, I was under the impression that if I had attended the trial and qualified, that I would in one of the two teams! I'm sure some of the others who have qualified, also probably thought the same(only to potentially find out otherwise now! Potentially players could now find themselves not selected for either team and having to travel to Malta at great personal expense for a game of singles (best of 9) against a seeded player from another country! Worst case you lose 5-0 and don't have enough money to get drunk for the rest of the week! Again, this info was available to interested parties. Speaking from experience, I travelled to Ireland for the Euros 2 years ago for a singles place and was binned 6 - 0 in the first round!! However, it did allow me to take part in a trial, post event in Dundalk, for the World Championship team which I made. This was at personal expense to me but looking back now I would not change my decision to attend. It was a great feeling winning 3 from 3 on my debut against France at the Worlds. In my view it will prove a tough choice for people to attend for a singles place but that is up to them. Also, be assured that Derek and Mike read all these posts and are always available to answer questions via email or phone. Cheers, Adam.
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Post by thecentralscrutinizer on Dec 6, 2010 17:48:18 GMT 1
Stuart,
Thought you played well after I reversed dished you in bizarre fashion in our match deciding frame! Very pleased that you did the business!
Cheers,
Adam.
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Post by raymack on Dec 6, 2010 18:25:57 GMT 1
To be fair I think the the term 'Scotland Squad' should have indicated that a further selection will take place. And in Adams defence he did explain to me at the last tour event exactly what may happen. Since that event there were a lot of comings and goings in terms of players making the trial, and again to be fair I think most of us were just pleased to have at least got that far. Will all 20 qualifiers be avaliable for selection ? I heard one player from another region casting doubt on whether he would go to Malta or not As for picking a team , thats a captains job to pick the best avaliable to him however it is going to be difficult to do that if he has never seen you play. Anyhow, sorry to poke my nose in - nothin to do with me now that I'm oot !!!
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