EGM 2nd Nov 2012

[Brad]

Hi all,

For those who weren't present, here's a very brief summary of the EGM.

Those present:
Raymond Mackenzie - Chairman - Tennant Arms A
Brad Wight - Secretary - Bonnie Earl C
Ian Mclennan - Committee Member - Seaforth Club
Ross McInnes - Promoter - SPA
Derek Ahern - Secretary - SEPF
Raymond Duguid - White Horse A
Alan Bonnyman - White Horse A
Mark Bell - White Horse A
Adam Macleod - White Horse A
Neil Owen - White Horse A
Stuart Campbell - Tennant Arms A
Graham Scales - Tennant Arms A
Neill Simpson - Ionic A
Gary Ross - Ionic A
Martiin Hendry Sr - Harbour
Euan Devine - Harbour
Andrew Cormie - Harbour
Ben Royan - Harbour
Susan Collins - Kirkie
Mitchell McGrath - Kirkie
Barry Mitchell - Kirkie
Nick Darnsley - Kirkie
Derek Raybold - Seaforth Club

Apologies:
Debby Greig - Committee - Caberfeidh
John Kinnaird - Committee - Bonnie Earl C
Kev McFarlane - Bonnie Earl C
Tony McCallion - Harbour

19 people eligible to vote.

The Secretary expressed his concern at the poor attendance, particularly from interleague and tour players.

Ross McInnes explained what the SPA had to offer the league by way of a season long trial affilation. This was followed by a question and answer session.

Derek Ahern then discussed what the SEPF had to offer the league. Again, question were asked. A new 5 Man team event was announced by the SEPF this will take place in March or April at Pettycur Bay.

The Secretary summed up the presentations and checked that everyone was happy to proceed with the vote.

22 votes were returned, three were discounted as voters had not been present at the meeting, one wasn't a league player and one wasn't even in the building.

The results were as follows:

11 players voted to affiliate the league to the SEPF
8 players voted to affiliate the league to the SPA
0 abstentions.

Therefore the Elgin and District Pool League will continue to affiliate to the SEPF for 2013.

B.Wight
Secretary.

[Brad]

Only 7 out of 29 teams were represented. At the AGM, only 10 from 32 were represented. Thinking we may have to enforce the no attendance - no entry rule next AGM.

[ian]

I would echo Brad's concerns over the poor attendance at both the AGM and last friday's EGM. There are plenty of players who like to moan about the league etc. on a wednesday night, but they can't be bothered to turn up when they have their chance to have their say on how the league is run. It was one vote for every attending player, so every vote counted.

I also agree that we should look at what sanctions can be taken including as a last resort a no entry rule against teams who do not attend the AGM.

[raymack]

Nov 4, 2012 17:29:32 GMT 1 Brad said:

Only 7 out of 29 teams were represented. At the AGM, only 10 from 32 were represented. Thinking we may have to enforce the no attendance - no entry rule next AGM.

Or maybe think about moving the AGM back to where it used to be ....a few weeks prior to the new season. From memory poor attendance never really used to be a significant problem.

[craig71184]

The problem you have is with the exception of the top league clubs/players the rest of the folk dina care who the elgin pool league is affiliated to. The vasty majority of folk just want out for a game of pool on a wed and a few pints. Hence the lack of people at the EGM.

I agree a better attendance should be expected at the AGM.

[Brad]

That's the thing though Craig, if people had listened and realised that the vote at the EGM was the first step towards a mandatory rule change on Wednesday nights they'd probably all be complaining now if the vote had went the other way.

Also, it's not just about getting your vote cast, it's about listening to what's going on. There's a couple of players in the league pissing me off this season because they keep asking stupid questions which they'd know the answers to if they'd been at either of the last two AGMs!

Ray, the only reason the AGM was changed to June was the lack of time between the AGM taking place and the season starting. Maybe making it compulsary to have a Captain (or deputy) present at the AGM would encourage teams to come along? Could easily move it back though, won't bother me at all to be honest! Still not sure it'll help unless it's made mandatory and maybe registrations MUST be paid that night also? (Chances of that happening are slim though!) lol

[craig71184]

Aye, i dont envy your taks Brad and others who make up the committee, very difficult to keep everyone happy (impossible)

I would make the AGM a compulsary attendance for one representative from each club and combine with fees. No attendance no team the league....simple. Word would soon get round. Is there any reason why this cant happen or do you have to be democratic and put it to a vote. At least that way the person attending could tell there teammates the outcome of the meeting.

[Brad]

Nah we could easily crack on and do that - no need for a vote. The rules in the constitution already say that teams can be banned from the league if they don't attend AGM.

[raymack]

Nov 6, 2012 22:34:58 GMT 1 Brad said:

Ray, the only reason the AGM was changed to June was the lack of time between the AGM taking place and the season starting. Maybe making it compulsary to have a Captain (or deputy) present at the AGM would encourage teams to come along? Could easily move it back though, won't bother me at all to be honest! Still not sure it'll help unless it's made mandatory and maybe registrations MUST be paid that night also? (Chances of that happening are slim though!) lol

That is exactly what used to happen, everyone knew that when you went to the AGM you had to pay your league fee's. Breeks who was Alan Duncan's right hand man at the time sat there with his wee book, took the money and issued a receipt for it.

As regards the timing of the AGM I feel that once the season is over the majority of the players (and for some its over long before finals day in May) forget about pool for the summer and go and do other things. At least by the middle of August most folk are back from holiday and starting to think about the new pool season. As Adam Macleod pointed out to me in no uncertain terms the other night , I don't have a crystal ball but the AGM is clearly is not well attended in its current position in the calendar.

[Brad]

I'd agree with that mate. Makes total sense to me.

It was Adam's suggestion to move AGM to June! Lol!

[Brad]

Nov 4, 2012 16:48:13 GMT 1 Brad said:

A new 5 Man team event was announced by the SEPF this will take place in March or April at Pettycur Bay.

Is anyone else surprised that this comp didn't take place?
I remember thinking on the night that it had been invented specifically for the meeting!

[thecentralscrutinizer]

May 12, 2013 2:15:46 GMT 1 Brad said:

Nov 4, 2012 16:48:13 GMT 1 Brad said:

A new 5 Man team event was announced by the SEPF this will take place in March or April at Pettycur Bay.

Is anyone else surprised that this comp didn't take place?
I remember thinking on the night that it had been invented specifically for the meeting!

Hahaha! I remember saying something to that effect on the night!

[raymack]

In the interests of fairness Region 2 have been promoting this for the end of August.

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I suppose whether or not it will happen depends on the interest from the players.

[Brad]

First time I've seen that Ray! Maybe 'promoting' isn't the right word?! Emails to League Secretaries and prominent players would be the first thing I'd do.

How much is it to enter a team and are there any restrictions on who can play?

[raymack]

Well ok Brad if we want to be pedantic it has been 'advertised' on Facebook mainly.

I did share it on the Region 4 page but it seems that many could not see the poster, Mike Keddie shared it again the other day but again it seems players are having difficulty viewing the poster for reasons unknown.

I could have put it on here but to be honest it feels like I am speaking to myself on here sometimes....its a handy editing tool though !

Anyhow now that a prominent player and the league secretary know about it it can be 'promoted' in our area properly. I will get all the tournament info asap.

[raymack]

SEPF 5 Man Team Championships

Styx, Kirkcaldy

24th-25th August 2013

CLOSING DATE - 31st July 2013 (or sooner if all places are filled)


Rules and Entry

1 Entry fee of £240 for 6 players (five players to be named in each match plus 1 reserve

may be played in second set. Once a player is replaced they may take

no further part in the match).

2 Players may only enter the competition once. Any team playing an individual who has

previously played with another team will forfeit the right to further participation.

(No substitutions to those on the original signed entry form will be allowed).

3 Only one International player per team of six. (No restrictions on County players.)

(International Player is any player who has played in a Team Match for Scotland in

the last 3 years, Men’s A Team at Europeans or Men’s World Championships only).

4 Players may only play for a team within the boundaries of their Interleague area.

5 All competition matches must be played to World 8 Ball Pool Rules.

All disputes of whatever nature shall be referred to the Organiser SEPF in writing.

The organisers’ decision will be final and absolute.

6 The winning team must return the completed result sheet at the end of each match

7 The organisers SEPF will not be responsible for any team not turning up

for the fixture or non-receipt of result sheets or any correspondence lost or delayed in the post.

8 The competition will be on a Groups and then Knock Out Basis . In each match the five,

nominated players of one 5-man team shall play the five nominated players of the opposing

team over 2 sets, making 10 frames in total. Matches conclude at a result, i.e. when one team wins 6 frames.

In the event of a tie (5-5) then a Shoot Out will take place between the 5 players who played the 2nd set.

9 Teams must have a minimum of three players at the start of the match and will forfeit the other player’s

frames if those players are not at the venue.

10 Any team not turning up for a match will immediately be eliminated from the tournament.

11 Referees are to be appointed for all matches by mutual agreement between the two teams.

12 All players must be 18 yrs or over on 31st December 2012.

13 Entry will be accepted by payment directly into the SEPF Bank Account or by cheque.

14 Entry is confirmed by the entry fee being paid in full only.

15 All matches will be played on 1 table. If matches over run the time allocated then further table(s) will

be used to complete the match.

16 The Top 2 teams from each group will progress to the Quarter Finals. The remaining 3 teams will be

entered into the Plate Event with the 3rd place team in each group receiving a bye and the 4th & 5th

placed teams entered into a random draw. The Main event format will remain the same throughout

the tournament. The Plate Event will be 1 set of 6 frames. In the event of a Tie (3-3) a Shoot Out will

take place involving 5 nominated players.

17 Dress code for the event will be Black Shoes, Black Trousers & matching Polo Shirts. Any team failing to

meet the dress code will not be permitted to play.

18 Entries are limited to 20 teams and the will be on a first come first served basis.

19 The organisers SEPF reserve the right to amend the competition according to prevailing circumstances.

20 All participants will be deemed to have read, and agreed to abide by, these rules and conditions.

21 Organised by the Scottish Eightball Pool Federation. All cheques payable to SEPF

and to be forwarded to SEPF 5 Man Team, 154 Cheviot Road, Kirkcaldy, Fife, KY2 6BE.


Tournament Director

Mike Keddie (07792181753)

[thecentralscrutinizer]

Give up Raymond. In the modern parlance #floggingadeadhorse...

[raymack]

Give up what exactly Adam ?

I am only stating that plans for the aforementioned 5-man event are actually underway contrary to yours and Brads comments above.

Whether or not it actually happens remains to be seen.

[thecentralscrutinizer]

I just meant the fact that these prospective tournies get trotted out conveniently every so often when it suits the SEPF. I know it used to frustrate me when I used to advertise comps as regional rep.

[thecentralscrutinizer]

But maybe this is different of course...

[raymack]

Well time will tell if this event is different, my general view is that once folk at regional level get their teeth into running/organizing an event it tends to happen.

As far as I am concerned I am only trying to continue the grand job started by you and continued by Brad. Yes it is frustrating at times ,but thanks to yours and Brads experiences and what I have seen, heard and read over the last few years at least my eyes are open