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Post by Brad on Aug 7, 2011 19:39:14 GMT 1
Hi all,
It's approaching the time when we need to get cracking with sorting out Interleague teams, in particular a strong A team.
I propose that we start a list of all players who are interested in playing in the Interleague and who would like to be considered for selection in an Elgin A team.
Places will be available for everyone who wishes to play as we can enter three teams like we did last year with the possiblility of more if there is the interest from the players.
From the players who wish to play in the A team, I suggest we ask each player to vote for their top eight players from the list. Players will not be able to vote for themselves.
The team to be selected from the voting results and then those eight players to agree on a captain from within the team.
Does that sound acceptable to everyone?
NB: In order to represent a league team at the Interleague, players must be registered to play in that league. If representing another team at the Interleague (ie a select team of some description) players must either play in an SEPF affiliated league or be individually affiliated through an SEPF tour.
As per the 2011 SEPF AGM, the SEPF committee will be checking validity of all entrants through their league Secretaries or SEPF Regional Committees.
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Post by Brad on Aug 7, 2011 19:40:44 GMT 1
2011 Interleague - Players:
1) Brad Wight
2) Adam Macleod
3) Andrew Cormie
4) Ben Royan
5) Raymond Mackenzie
6) Peter Fyffe
7) Andy Duncan
8) Mark Bell
9) Alan Mair
10) Adam Wood
11) Peter Carey
12) Martin Hendry Jnr
13) Kieran Wood
14) Neill Simpson
15) Alan Duncan
16) Dave Main
17) Kriss Bradshaw
18) Garey Steele
19) Robert Macdonald
20) Scott Campbell
21) Brad Bruce
22) Garry Simmons
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Post by thecentralscrutinizer on Aug 7, 2011 20:11:00 GMT 1
I'm in. The voting system is certainly interesting...
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Post by woody on Aug 8, 2011 11:06:20 GMT 1
I believe the strongest Elgin A team would have to include Neil Simpson and I dont think Neil would be interested in taking a place in the team for various reasons. Previous history shows that our best players don't seem to play together in team events and I for one wouldn't want to go to Burntisland just to make up the numbers so to speak. If Neil, Raymond, AC etc all decide to give it a go then I would be interested.
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Post by ac on Aug 8, 2011 11:10:30 GMT 1
I'm in, also I agree with with woody.
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Post by Brad on Aug 8, 2011 20:16:00 GMT 1
Stop the recruiting, there's your dream team:
2011 Interleague - Players:
1) Brad Wight
2) Adam Macleod
3) Andrew Cormie
4) Ben Royan
5) Raymond Mackenzie
6) Peter Fyffe
7) Andy Duncan
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Post by shaker on Aug 9, 2011 18:20:16 GMT 1
can alan shaker mair put his name doon
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Post by raymack on Aug 16, 2011 11:21:59 GMT 1
Ok, I have said before that beause I have not been involved in the Interleague for years I don't feel like I should be commenting on team selection etc..........however !
With my Committee member/chairmans hat on I think we seriously need to think about how we are going to go about this. In addition to asking players if they want to be considered I think we also want to be asking if anyone wants to step up to the mark of being captain. I then think a small selection committee should be formed including the captain and the team picked from that. In all honesty there are 4 or 5 automatic picks that everyone would agree on who could be invloved in the selection process - the important thing in my view is that this would be discussed openly. In fairness to all players who want to travel to the Interleague I think it should be done sooner rather than later so that the additional teams can be organized.
I hope that im not speaking out of turn here but I really feel that if we are going to have a bona fide 'A' or Select team then we should have the best avaliable players playing in it and it should be a privilege to do so !
Cheers
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Post by tonymccallion on Aug 16, 2011 12:35:07 GMT 1
I kind of agree with raymond here I also believe that if a player is asked to play in the A team and refuse then they can't play in another team, also a player shufnt be able to not put himself forward for A team selection and go in another. This make sense?
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Post by raymack on Aug 16, 2011 13:06:19 GMT 1
I kind of agree with raymond here I also believe that if a player is asked to play in the A team and refuse then they can't play in another team, also a player shufnt be able to not put himself forward for A team selection and go in another. This make sense? Thanks Tony, I get where you are coming from although I would say its a wee bit harsh maybe ? Let me put it like this i think everyone travelling to the interleague should have the right to play with whom they want however I would like to think that all our top/most experienced guys would at least make themselves avaliable for 'A' team selection first. See ?  |
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Post by woody on Aug 16, 2011 14:56:37 GMT 1
Hi folks/
I take on board what Raymond is saying that the top players should make themselves available for the A team. If this happened, yes we would have a very strong team, a team that could at the very least reach the latter stages of the competition, no disputes about that, however, having spoken to several players about this over the last couple of months I got the same response from the them all, and that is....... "I wont play with A because..., "I wont play with B because..., "I wont play with C because..., "I wont play with A & B because.... The problem is people can't put history that they have with each other behind them and just move on. I personally believe that it's best going to Burntisland with perhaps two fairly strong teams that have 'good team spirit' similar to last year (although we had 3 teams) rather than one excellent team but an unhappy one and one average team just there to make up the numbers (no disrespect meant). This is Just my thoughts on the matter.
Also, 'as everyone is aware' I had good reason not to want to play in SEPF events and stated this fact in an earlier post. However, now that I have cooled down and had time to re think about everything I am now considering playing at this years interleague. I have been approached by 'a team' so wont be putting my name forward for the Elgin A team; unless a meeting brings us altogether and gets us singing off of the same hymn sheet.
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Post by raymack on Aug 16, 2011 16:46:46 GMT 1
Well I have said my piece.............I'm sure it can be sorted so everyone is happy ;D
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Post by thecentralscrutinizer on Aug 16, 2011 18:52:03 GMT 1
Yawn. This is already a tedious topic. We may aswell just do what we did last year if we can't agree on tony's suggestion. We either say that those selected for the A team must play for that team or not at all or just send teams of mates down.
Tbh I'm not really bothered and will play for whoever.
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Post by thecentralscrutinizer on Aug 16, 2011 18:55:46 GMT 1
Also, I have recently found out that although the rules have changed as regards what happened to Elgin B last year. When Aberdeen A 'slept in' for their game, they actually appealed the significant fines imposed on them. Their appeal was successful and because there was no precedent they actually were not punished at all.
Just so everyone is clear ahead of this years Interleague...
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Post by raymack on Aug 16, 2011 20:39:07 GMT 1
We either say that those selected for the A team must play for that team or not at all . Not very democratic though is it ? I was under the impression there was a desire amongst many of our players to field a strong 'select' team - maybe I was mistaken !  |
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Post by thecentralscrutinizer on Aug 16, 2011 20:53:10 GMT 1
As I said, I am up for whatever. However, I think the appetite for some kind of democratic selection has disappeared. There is a deafening silence on this issue from 'the old guard' as regards playing for a truly Elgin A team select. As has been said above, we need to have all players invest in this idea or it doesn't really work.
In saying all of that, a democratic selection policy is the way forward in my view. We need to get this written down and added to the constitution for next year. That way everyone knows where they stand in terms of the interleague every year.
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Post by raymack on Aug 16, 2011 21:15:46 GMT 1
There is a deafening silence on this issue from 'the old guard' as regards playing for a truly Elgin A team select. Indeed there has been a silence, certainly on here at least. It needs addressing...........sooner rather than later !  |
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Post by ian on Aug 16, 2011 21:32:46 GMT 1
I agree with Adam that a democratic selection process is the way to go and that surely that being given the honour of representing the EDPL should override any petty differences.
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Post by raymack on Aug 17, 2011 14:36:25 GMT 1
Ok, I spoke with Alan Duncan today about this.'Petty differences' mentioned above are not an issue in my opinion. I would say that the main issue with everyone is the manner in which a 'Select' team could be picked fairly. I think this has been proven on here where none of us have really agreed on what would be best.
There are 4-5 individuals whom if they got together could sort this out in my opinion - otherwise I feel it will be a case of carrying on as in previous years.
Cheers
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Post by martinc on Aug 17, 2011 14:49:12 GMT 1
Also, I have recently found out that although the rules have changed as regards what happened to Elgin B last year. When Aberdeen A 'slept in' for their game, they actually appealed the significant fines imposed on them. Their appeal was successful and because there was no precedent they actually were not punished at all. Just so everyone is clear ahead of this years Interleague... hi Adam who appealed for Aberdeen A's fines?? certainly never came through me or any of the ADPL committee - just curious, not going to get into whether fine was fair / harsh etc cheers |
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Post by thecentralscrutinizer on Aug 17, 2011 16:16:05 GMT 1
Also, I have recently found out that although the rules have changed as regards what happened to Elgin B last year. When Aberdeen A 'slept in' for their game, they actually appealed the significant fines imposed on them. Their appeal was successful and because there was no precedent they actually were not punished at all. Just so everyone is clear ahead of this years Interleague... hi Adam who appealed for Aberdeen A's fines?? certainly never came through me or any of the ADPL committee - just curious, not going to get into whether fine was fair / harsh etc cheers No idea Martin. All I was told was that they had been appealed. Perhaps Brad and Mike can shed some light on this rather murky affair? |
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Post by thecentralscrutinizer on Aug 17, 2011 16:22:14 GMT 1
Ok, I spoke with Alan Duncan today about this.'Petty differences' mentioned above are not an issue in my opinion. I would say that the main issue with everyone is the manner in which a 'Select' team could be picked fairly. I think this has been proven on here where none of us have really agreed on what would be best. There are 4-5 individuals whom if they got together could sort this out in my opinion - otherwise I feel it will be a case of carrying on as in previous years. Cheers This is an open forum for anyone to participate in. There have been several options for picking the a team put forward. As has been said previously, the committee should pick 8 players and from that 8 a captain. If those selected refuse to play then they don't get to play at all. This should be straightforward no? The voting system outlined in the first post is, on reflection, a bit laborious. Let's get the best team picked and go compete for the title. |
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Post by raymack on Aug 17, 2011 16:58:43 GMT 1
This is an open forum for anyone to participate in. There have been several options for picking the a team put forward. As has been said previously, the committee should pick 8 players and from that 8 a captain. If those selected refuse to play then they don't get to play at all. This should be straightforward no? The voting system outlined in the first post is, on reflection, a bit laborious. Let's get the best team picked and go compete for the title. I wholeheartedly agree with your first and last sentence. On the other hand the sentence in bold is far too harsh for my liking. |
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Post by Brad on Aug 17, 2011 17:33:27 GMT 1
Right, looks like we need a meeting.
Everyone has made valid points and while no one is really disagreeing, there are still some differences that need sorting out before we can pick the A team.
Is everyone free for an hour or so a week on Tuesday (30th Aug)?
BTW, I have managed to get a team shirt sponsor who will pay for up to 24 high quality black polo shirts embroidered with both the league logo and the sponsors logo for the interleague (enough for 3 teams of 7 players + 1 reserve)
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Post by ac on Aug 17, 2011 17:44:43 GMT 1
This certainly has become a bit of a tedious issue, but as i feel i cant contribute or suggest an alternative selection process i've kept shtum.
The main issue for me, is that at present, there isnt a criteria / format set in stone. Considering this, it will be difficult at best to pick a select. The rationale being, as because theres nothing in place then the selections will be qualitative rather than quantative (i.e based on opinion). And as we all know opinions are like.....well you know the rest! ;D
Adam is right, the silence has been defeaning from some if not all quarters. I mean, how do we know last years A team are willing to be broken up into a select? This is not in any means a critisicm, but if they were happy to attend for years with the same squad why would they see fit to change now? Again, im not having a go, im just curious. As Woody rightly states earlier - we need everyone singing of the same hymm sheet.
What i will say though, is with the tour up and running fully now, and the proposed player of the year system being implemented in the forthcoming season, it will be far easier to pick a select using the facts and figures available.
Im a bit uneasy with the notion that if you refuse then your out, in any case this would not likely be applicable to myself, but its just a bit SS for me. But if its a solution then so be it.
I'll finish my post by saying i thoroughlly enjoyed playing last year, crack was superb and got to know a few other lads better. Was a welcome change from a wednesday, hence the reason i'd like to play this year. Ok, being cheated out of it left a sour taste, as did the subsequent reaction (or lack of) from the organisers, but what else can you do other than dry your eyes and soldier on?
Thats my tuppenceworth anyway!
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Post by Brad on Aug 17, 2011 17:56:23 GMT 1
Well said Andrew!
As I've said before, it was Alan Duncan who first suggested to me taking the strongest team possible as he thinks (as do I) that Elgin could challenge for the title with our strongest team.
If no one disagrees, I'll call a meeting for Tues 30th, 8PM in the Bonnie Earl. EDPL league committee members and all players who wish to play for Elgin at the Interleague are invited. Players who don't fall into these categories may be asked to leave.
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Post by thecentralscrutinizer on Aug 17, 2011 17:58:42 GMT 1
I am up for a meeting. I am up for a selection committee. I am up for anything that will get this resolved either way.
Agree with Andrew, that next year will prove a lot easier to sort this out. Use the stats etc to select the team and pop a note in the constitution to validate it. As for 'SS style' rules, I think it should be an honour to represent the EDPL A team and if you refuse it then you don't get to play. I'm not suggesting a night of the long cues or anything...
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Post by ac on Aug 17, 2011 18:12:09 GMT 1
Night of the long cues......i like it! haha
Yes, lets have a meeting, attended solely by those interested. If we're still at an impasse then i suggest we do as last year, sort it out amongst ourselves.
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Post by woody on Aug 17, 2011 20:37:46 GMT 1
I will be attending the meeting Brad.
Cheerz..
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Post by Brad on Aug 18, 2011 18:28:36 GMT 1
Magic,
There's a lot of interest in the Interleague this year from players who haven't played there before, three teams should be a formality.
Not sure I agree about the players not taking a place in the A team being refused a place at all but then it's not my choice and I'll let the majority vote!
Wouldn't approve of using tour rankings to select team as playing in individual tournaments is a completely different kettle of fish to playing in a team. Different types of pressure experienced and mental strength required.
I wouldn't say there's any problems as such but lets get the meeting on and put some sort of structure in place. I'll text everyone who played last year and all those who have shown interest this year and let them know about the meeting.
Cheers
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