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Post by thecentralscrutinizer on Jun 20, 2011 22:43:02 GMT 1
Hi folks,
I am looking to move the final tour event of the season from August 6th to August 20th instead. Reason being I would like to avoid back to back weekends.
The only reason that that it was like this in the first place was because I was too efficient (if I don't say so myself) in setting dates at the start of this year. I used the first calendar given to me by the SEPF rather than the third one that was eventually settled upon!
Thoughts required please.
Cheers,
Adam.
P.s. This is just an idea at the moment and would need to be cleared with the Bowl. No decision has been made and will be decided by the Region 4 Committee after this consultation.
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Post by raymack on Jun 20, 2011 22:45:44 GMT 1
Would certainly suit me as I am set to miss an event for the first time if it goes ahead on the 6th as I'm off on holiday and Mrs Mack isn't too keen on me 'following on later' !!  |
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Post by Brad on Jun 20, 2011 22:48:53 GMT 1
Me too, and the lads from Oban aren't too keen on back to back weekends either.
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Post by gareyste on Jun 21, 2011 17:17:15 GMT 1
i wouldnt make the 20th as i am on holiday  |
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Post by thecentralscrutinizer on Jun 21, 2011 20:53:03 GMT 1
Only 3 opinions on this?!
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Post by raymack on Jun 21, 2011 21:14:20 GMT 1
Looking at it objectively and whether I could make the 6th or not, back to back events are asking a lot in my opinion, particularly when both are in the middle of the local 'trades fortnight' holiday. Is the SEPF anniversary thing not the weekend after that too ?
Just my impartial thoughts. ( Go on change it to the 20th !!) ;D
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Post by ac on Jun 22, 2011 16:55:36 GMT 1
From a purely personal perspective, i'd be against this change of date - i'm best man at my cousins wedding so its a no-no for me. Additionally as i work shifts (as im sure most are aware  ), when the dates were released i've had to beg borrow and steal shift swaps from my work peers to ensure i could play in most events. Speaking hypothetically, if the date is moved (from a date which i can attend to a date which i cant), it would effectively render the points i've accumulated thus far worthless. Also, i think it perhaps setting a dangerous precedent....surely we all knew it was back to back weeks when the dates were announced? When do we start / stop changing dates? I'd be asking myself is it worth bothering next year trying to win points if the schedule will be changed three quarters of the way through? Gents i'm not trying to be arsey here, merely stating my point of view. Bearing in mind who so far have expressed agreement to this proposal (who is all in the executive commitee may i ask?), it will be interesting to see how this pans out. I'd gladly entertain constructive discussion on this as its something i feel quite strongly about. |
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Post by raymack on Jun 22, 2011 17:23:30 GMT 1
Andrew makes a good argument here for keeping as it is ! I would add however that only points from 5 events will be counted anyway with your lowest points from a tour event being dropped for the final ranking list From a personal point of view I was resigned to not being able to play in the last event - the last comment I made in my previous post was purely in jest However in my defence I stated in an e-mail which I sent on the 30th of November last year to Adam that these back to back dates fall within the local 'trades fortnight' and that therefore entries may be reduced - whether that proves to be true remains to be seen. As I cannot play on the 6th I will not comment on this again !  cheers |
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Post by thecentralscrutinizer on Jun 22, 2011 17:32:45 GMT 1
Thanks for your input Andy. Much obliged.
The committee is me, brad, Raymond, Garey, woody and Martin.
I appreciate where you are coming from and reckon most players will have a preference on this either way. My intention is to email out to tour members for feedback too. I will only be able to do this if bowl 2000 can accomodate a swap. I am still waiting on them getting back to me.
As mentioned above, the reason for this proposal is because I have had a significant number of people request a date change. In addition, a key reason as to why I am considering it is because the dates are indeed a bit farcical! In future, there would have to be similarly exceptional circumstances for any changes of dates mid season to be considered.
We really need to get as many points of view on here as possible and back via email. That way the committee can make an informed judgment based on the opinions of tour members. I have every confidence that they would then make that call with the benefit of the majority in mind rather their own personal preference.
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Post by ac on Jun 22, 2011 19:22:07 GMT 1
Given the time of year, as raymond rightly points out, i understand how the two dates may prove problematic for some but when the dates were released i assumed they were scheduled so close by design rather than default. Also, i'm genuinely sympathetic if anyone has to miss a tour date (i missed two last year through work) for reasons outwith there control and i respect in some cases its entirely impossible to please everyone. I speak for myself here (from a purely selfish perspective), i'm sure pretty much everyone would agree i've punched way above my wait to gain a fair few points this year. Now if i cant build on this and try and compete at the top end, through no fault of my own i may add, i find this frankly unfair. Would anyone disagree with this if they were in my shoes? The reason i think this unfair is because the goalposts are effectively being moved mid-game and my overall standing will suffer as a result. I apologise if my views offend anyone but i feel surely its better to air them here rather than talk behind anyones back. Region 4 is fantastic for pool up here and i have the utmost respect for those who have made this happen (with countless hours planning/organising etc). Its not my intention to discredit region 4 in anyway shape or form. Anyways enough of the heavy stuff, im sure all will be resolved in due time! ;D P.S Re-arange the final tour date for 27th aug / 3rd sep and this lad may sell his principles for a few cents! P.P.S i realise the borders event is on the 27th but who in region 4 will be taking part, lol. Over and out from me! Thats me said my piece..... |
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Post by raymack on Jun 22, 2011 20:42:06 GMT 1
Ok, I know I said I wouldn't comment again ! I would just like to say that despite not being able to play on the 6th I have not and never would ask for the date to be changed. And if asked to vote on this I would go with what benefits the majority of players - period ! erm.......... by the way Adam any chance of moving the Highland Classic back a week as the IRC Rally is on that weekend  ;D  JOKE !!  |
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Post by thecentralscrutinizer on Jun 22, 2011 22:06:39 GMT 1
Having gauged public opinion at the summer league singles tonight it would appear that there is minimal support amongst players for a change of date. Most people sympathise with the situation that Andrew is in.
Therefore, I have decided to forgoe a committee vote. I feel it would be unfair to impose a decision at this stage that would be disadvantage a significant proportion of tour members who have made arrangments already to meet the original dates.
Thank you for your feedback and thoughts on this matter. Consultation usually produces the right results. Just ask the coalition about NHS reforms that noone voted for.
Cheers,
Adam.
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Post by gareyste on Jun 22, 2011 22:22:34 GMT 1
personally i dont see the problem with playing 2 weeks in a row, infact the under 21s who are playing in the senior tour are due to play 3 weeks in a row and i have not recieved any complaints about that, people have worked around dates provided at the start of the season, andrew for example who has a very good chance of winnig the tour may have that taking away from him if the dates are changed
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Post by benttd on Jun 22, 2011 22:35:06 GMT 1
Im personally not keen on the change as i have commitments. Having a bairn on his summer holidays etc and working round the date given way back should be the ones we should keep to. If you start changing dates now then who is to say that it will be the start of things to come for the future. Am i right in saying that of the committee, Brad wanted it changed as he couldn't go and Raymond would have it changed if it were changed??
Surely we knew back at the start of the tour there was back to back dates and although i was shocked just got on with it and worked round it with holidays and kids etc.
I just think that changing stuff now may not be the best answer. My "ten pence worth" may not be worth much but the website seems to be all about people who are ok with the change rather than against it.
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Post by raymack on Jun 22, 2011 22:51:39 GMT 1
Ben, now that Adam has made a decision ( the right decision in my opinion) I can tell you I would have voted to keep the date as it was. I have known since the day the dates were announced it would be unlikely I would be able to make the 6th of August for three reasons. a/ its my birthday b/ I normally have the first two weeks in August as my holidays c The Speyside stages Rally is on that day which I always take my wee lad to. Yes I'm disappointed to be missing an event but I've had all year to get used to it - it could have been worse as we normally go away on the first week of the hols which would have meant missing 2 events  heaven forbid ! Definitly the right decision ! |
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Post by Brad on Jun 23, 2011 8:46:10 GMT 1
Hi all,
No problems with decision.
Ben, I didn't want it changed just because I couldn't play on the 6th, it was more for the guys travelling a fair distance that's all. Start of the month is better for payday etc, if anything it's the one at the end of July which shouldn't have been scheduled!
Beginning work on next year's calendar now that the football fixtures are out so will space things out a bit better this year and get approval from regional committees before setting it in stone!
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Post by raymack on Jun 23, 2011 21:58:56 GMT 1
personally i dont see the problem with playing 2 weeks in a row Garey, just wait until you are 40 odd years old, married with kids,etc etc. Oh to be 21 again !! ;D |
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Post by woody on Jun 23, 2011 22:15:54 GMT 1
Exactly Raymond I will be using my zimmer frame for the final tour event.
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Post by tonymccallion on Jul 2, 2011 2:59:25 GMT 1
I agree perfectly with Andrew apart from the above your weight comments. I feel that you have proved how good you are this season and deserve to be challenging at the top.
People have arranged events and work around the original dates and although it may not affect me personally i feel it would be wrong (even with a vote) to change the dates.
Of course people would rather not have 2 events in 2 weeks but as i said above, certain individuals have already made unchangeable efforts to make the original tour dates and i feel its unfair on them just because of lets say "preference" perhaps?
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), when the dates were released i've had to beg borrow and steal shift swaps from my work peers to ensure i could play in most events. Speaking hypothetically, if the date is moved (from a date which i can attend to a date which i cant), it would effectively render the points i've accumulated thus far worthless.
;D 
heaven forbid !