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Post by raymack on Oct 25, 2011 22:24:14 GMT 1
I have to say I am ever so slightly suspicious about this invitation. It took a week at least for this invitation to filter through after their egm, you would have thought they would have wanted to get this information out as soon as possible - Opportunism perhaps given the uproar that is currently happening in Aberdeen ? But above all that I agree with Brads comments regarding how good our leagues and tour have been over the last year or so and I for one would be loathed to do anything that may endanger that. Lots more to say.........but not tonight !
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Post by thecentralscrutinizer on Oct 25, 2011 22:38:26 GMT 1
Let me get this straight. As it currently stands we have access to all SEPF events including regional tours etc for £50.
This proposal would give us access to all SEPF events including regional tours and all SPA events in 2012. All apart from the 2012 SEPF Interleague which would be counter balanced by us being allowed to play in the SPA interleague equivalents (both A and B events) - all of this for £50 too, only payable to the SPA.
Then at the end of 2012 we would decide which association to go with. Is it just me or does this breakdown make it look like a complete no brainer?!
We will not lose our regional tours unless WE choose not to run them. By giving players more tournaments to play competitively in then you will raise the standard in the league. Still not seeing why this would be a bad idea.
Did I mention we don't have to change rules in the league...
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Post by dyb on Oct 26, 2011 22:14:29 GMT 1
Myself and the SEPF Executive have attempted to reach a compromise which would allow Aberdeen and Aberdeen only to try dual affiliation for a season long trial. However, the SPA choice policy is a stumbling block, as is the fact that I cannot obtain a straight and concise explanation of SPA International (including 11 man B team) selection policy. The above message was posted on 25 October. The following headed letter was sent on 24 October. Brad Hi, As requested, on SPA letterhead. The SPA international teams are chosen by the managers and not by any Ranking system. Could the SPA have, on SEPF letterhead, the SEPF/EEPF/WEPF choice policy from their relevant constitutions? Also, could the SPA have on SEPF letterhead, the decisions made at their recent meeting regarding dual affiliations of SEPF leagues in Scotland and how it would affect them? Yours In Sport David R Duncan National Secretary
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Post by Brad on Oct 27, 2011 16:31:05 GMT 1
Davie, you know as well as I do that the SPA don't class B teams as full internationals. This is where I'm needing detailed explanations regarding how all the different categories of Scotland teams are selected, including B class, 11 man teams.
Brad.
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Post by dyb on Oct 27, 2011 17:14:27 GMT 1
Davie, you know as well as I do that the SPA don't class B teams as full internationals. This is where I'm needing detailed explanations regarding how all the different categories of Scotland teams are selected, including B class, 11 man teams. Brad. Chosen by the manager.
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Post by dyb on Oct 27, 2011 21:48:28 GMT 1
I have to say I am ever so slightly suspicious about this invitation. It took a week at least for this invitation to filter through after their egm, you would have thought they would have wanted to get this information out as soon as possible - It was posted on web site on the Thursday after the EGM. This was because there was an executive committee meeting held on the Wednesday to discuss the exact wording of the proposal/letter. Can't get any sooner than that.
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Post by raymack on Oct 27, 2011 22:24:24 GMT 1
Ok, thanks for your reply, thats fair enough I thought it was longer than that before it became public knowledge, certainly after the SEPF meeting in Kirkcaldy. Anyhow I would appreciate if you could outline the thinking behind offering this out to other WR leagues. I just have a nagging doubt that the furore in Aberdeen has given the SPA an opportunity to 'put the boot in' so to speak, and that is the real reason behind this offer. Please feel free to put my mind at rest ! I am not trying to be antagonistic by the way I would just like to get a good understanding of the situation as this is likely to be discussed at our forthcoming committee meeting. Regards Raymond
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Post by tonymccallion on Nov 1, 2011 13:05:48 GMT 1
Things never change People do
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Post by raymack on Nov 1, 2011 13:30:34 GMT 1
Things never change People do To coin a phrase from Pulp Fiction......'Sounds like you have something to say' Tony ?
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Post by thecentralscrutinizer on Nov 1, 2011 17:51:06 GMT 1
Unsurprisingly, the EDPL will not be taking up the SPA invitation for this year. A good discussion was had however and the committee decided that this proposal was not worth taking to an EGM. The main reasons for this appear to be loyalty to the SEPF, worries about the impact of players playing different rules, concern about the loss of regional events, concern at not being allowed entry by the SEPF to the interleague next year.
My view is that this is an opportunity missed for players in the EDPL but fully understand the pervasive nature of the protectionist rhetoric that Brad must spout, given his role of SEPF National Secretary! Anyway, no hard feelings on this I hope! I look forward to playing on the regional tour events next year without the dubious honour of being tournament director/chairman. Best of luck to Brad et al in organising and running these events.
Thanks,
Adam.
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Post by gareyste on Nov 1, 2011 18:23:22 GMT 1
personally quite disppointed with this decision, but everyone had fair points, going to the vote was the fairest way and lets hope its the correct decision
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Post by raymack on Nov 1, 2011 20:30:27 GMT 1
Firstly Adam , there are certainly no hard feelings over this on my part. I think it was right at this point not to take this to an EGM. I think it would have been unavoidable that a larger meeting/vote on this matter would have came down to an argument on which ruleset is best and folk would have voted on that alone, which as we know is not the issue. One of the main problems I have is that the SPA have sent out this invitation (to the best of my knowledge in the form of a 'pass it on' web post) at a time when they can see full well the disruption there currently is in Aberdeen. Aberdeen asked for SPA affiliation - EDPL did not. In a nutshell I believe they have tried to gain an advantage over the SEPF by trying to cause the same disruption in other WR leagues, mischievous I believe was the phrase I used last night . You can't blame the SPA for that but should we allow ourselves to be used as pawns in their game ? Another reason is nothing to do with the SPA or the SEPF but just simply down to the positive steps that have been taken in Elgin, a renewed enthusiasm for pool from many, and the genuine opportunity that has been created for many of our players to play at national and international level. We all know who is largely responsible for this and I would hate to see that jeapordised in any way. Would we really want to risk all that just to 'exploit' the SPA for a trial year ? The grass is not always greener....... Having said all that I echo Garey sentiments, it is disappointing that pool players all over the country are not able to play the rules they want where they want....... not something that an EDPL EGM can sort out I'm afraid.
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Post by thecentralscrutinizer on Nov 1, 2011 21:04:04 GMT 1
To be perfectly frank Ray, I feel that fear has won the day here and that is more disappointing than anything else. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. We have achieved a great deal for pool around here by trying new things and working towards a common goal together. I'm not sure why this approach has been sidelined now.
Anyhoo, decision made so we move on. However, I do sense the influence of a small, shadowy figure in all of this. An expert puppeteer pulling strings with finesse. I wonder if he will be at the Interleague...
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Post by raymack on Nov 1, 2011 21:33:12 GMT 1
From my point of view it was sidelined for the reasons I have given....nothing to do with fear , just that nagging doubt that something just doesn't seem right ! Just to add , I dont know why it is seen as a 'once in a life-time opportunity' . If it was made for the right reasons and if they genuinly want leagues such as ours to join them then surely they will be open to approach in the future. And as for the wee mannie pulling the strings........... I dont really know enough to comment on such things I'm afraid.
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Post by tonymccallion on Nov 2, 2011 11:40:50 GMT 1
I have A LOT to say on this matter but anything I did say would really not make a difference because Adam has already said most of it.
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